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Offline Whistle McThistle

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High block that wasn't a block
« on: November 17, 2012, 10:33:35 am »
Something that happened during scrimmage:

Red blocker blocks Green blocker legally.
Green blocker's shoulder gets pushed backwards by this block.
Red jammer's face happens to be just behind Green blocker's shoulder.
Green blocker was not actually blocking Red jammer but trying to absorb block from Red blocker.

In the moment I mis-remembered high blocking rule thinking it was "contact above the shoulders" as opposed to "BLOCK WITH INITIAL contact above the shoulders" and issued a penalty.
I have since told others in my league about my call and how it was the wrong call to make but they're not sure.

Did I make the wrong call originally?

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Re: High block that wasn't a block
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2012, 11:15:21 am »
Easy mistake, but yeah, you did get it wrong. Incidental shoulder-to-head contact that isn't the initial point of contact of an active block is No Penalty.

You very well may have been thinking of the Elbows or Forearms Majors, which do penalize simple contact to the head, active blocking or not. But of course, it has to be contact using the respective illegal blocking zones, and the shoulder isn't one of those.

[rule]6.4.8 Any illegal contact with the elbow or swinging motion of the elbow that lands above the shoulders.[/rule]
[rule]6.5.9 Any illegal contact with hands or forearms above the shoulders.[/rule]

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Re: High block that wasn't a block
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2012, 12:52:41 pm »
Unintentional and incidental are not the same thing.  This sounds unintentional, but the rules don't care if you meant to block or not.  My first thinking here is, yes, high block.  Sorry green blocker, you didn't control your body.

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Re: High block that wasn't a block
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2012, 02:35:59 pm »
I agree with Megapickle.  The key word in this instance is "initial".  The initial hit was legal and the subsequent slide into the head is definitively no impact. 

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6.2.3 Any block with initial contact landing above the shoulders.[/rule]
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Re: High block that wasn't a block
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2012, 03:22:52 pm »
Wouldn't this fall back to the "penalize the bullet, not the gun". The initial contact by green blocker was above the shoulder on the red jammer. I think the key words are contact above the shoulders regardless of rather it was intentional or unintentinal. We can't forget that counter blocking is held to the same standard as blocking so no one gets a free pass. If that was the case, then a lot of low blocks would go unpenalized because "someone else knocked me down".
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Re: High block that wasn't a block
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2012, 01:54:23 am »
I misread the OP.  Here's my take on the scenario:  If initial contact of a block was made to the jammer's head with any body part of an opponent, it's a high block major regardless of intent.  I took the OP to be saying initial contact was legal but then subsequently slid into the jammer's face; that is not illegal.
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Re: High block that wasn't a block
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2012, 04:25:26 pm »
Red Blocker hits green blocker -> green blocker then hits red jammer = high block
Red blocker hits green blocker -> red blocker's shoulder slides up into green blocker's face = not a high block.

The fact that a 3rd skater was involved makes it initial contact to that skater.

 

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