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Author Topic: Skating OOB (was: Jumping and cutting track)  (Read 19023 times)

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Re: Skating OOB (was: Jumping and cutting track)
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2009, 07:53:48 am »
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How do you penalise someone who blocks without stepping or skating?

If she fell down and then stood up without "skating in the proper direction", she's still considered  "out of play" (see definitions), so that's an easy call.  But what if she didn't fall?

If she's stopped because she didn't start skating, or because she simply decided to stop and make a block with otherwise legal target zones, that's a good question.  It must be penalized, as it is unsafe and clearly forbidden by 5.1.3,

But since the exact type of penalty "is not clearly spelled out in these rules", I think we should use 8.3.1 (Ref Discretion), to put it under a category.

I would therefore signal it as "skating clockwise to block", since that's the closest description.

Other ideas?
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Re: Skating OOB (was: Jumping and cutting track)
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2009, 08:08:44 am »
what if a skater left the track, Skates OOB to her team's bench, has a quick chat with her captain then re-enter the track?
would that be considered legal? surely it goes against 6.2.9?
a skater can remove herself from play for certain reasons, and unless we clearly know otherwise, we have to assume a legal intent.  Therefore a skater who removes herself to the bench, has a quick chat with her captain, then reenters is "out of play" while she's away, but unless she tells me "I had no injury or equipment malfunction" we have to assume legal intent (8.3.3).  In any case, there's no impact in most cases, unless she was the only jammer on the track, or the final blocker on the track for her team.
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Re: Skating OOB (was: Jumping and cutting track)
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2009, 03:42:43 pm »
Stuff on skating OOB to avoid a downed player split to:

http://zebrahuddle.com/index.php?topic=85.0

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Re: Skating OOB (was: Jumping and cutting track)
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2009, 06:39:31 pm »
It appears that ref discretion is a useful the catch-all resource when weighing the different factors in OOB calls. 

Focusing in on where a skater goes out of bounds without bettering her position, avoiding a block or maintaining or increase speed, here are some of the factors that I would consider:

1. To what degree did the skater maintain their speed when they went OBB?  For example: they went OOB because they were trying to maintain speed around the turn but had insufficient control and went wide.  Being in control is a natural extension of skating safely.  Safety on the track is a consistent concern that the rules seek to ensure and protect.  Consequently=OBB because didn't drop speed and skated without control=risk to safety=call minor OOB as part of my ref discretion.  Skating outside the range of control for your skills/ability poses a risk to a skaters personal safety and has impact.

However, if a skater dropped speed or was trying to drop speed (toe stops, knee) as they were going OOB or were OBB the there would be no penalty because they were clearly to trying to NOT maintain their speed.  So, a player who went OBB could consistently avoid a minor IF they dragged a toe stop for a second or two. 

This interpretation also reads that there is no penalty if a skater goes out of bounds on a stumble or strafe to avoid downed player.  They would reduce speed directly (or indirectly by not being able to follow their original path because they were avoiding a downed skater) and therefore NOT violate  6.2.9.4.   
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