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Skating OOB (was: Jumping and cutting track)
« on: January 23, 2009, 10:24:08 pm »

If she jumps from in bounds and lands out of bounds, I don't see grounds to issue a penalty.  Unless she specifically jumped to avoid a block, or gained momentum while she was out there, we can't give her a Skating Out penalty just for being out of bounds. 


sooo... if a skater skates OOB for no good reason, just of her own accord, you dont issue a skating OOB penalty?
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2009, 04:58:17 pm »
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Skating OOB (was: Jumping and cutting track)
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2009, 12:17:44 am »
sure
however you missed the bit where it's stated...

6.2.9 SKATING OUT-OF-BOUNDS
Skaters must remain in-bounds. No part of the skater's skate(s) may touch the ground
outside the track boundary.


i'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion that any reason not listed means no impact... let alone calling it an "oops"?

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Skating OOB (was: Jumping and cutting track)
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2009, 12:32:02 am »
Precisely!  No impact, no penalty.

And even in the case of the jammer getting knocked out before reaching the Engagement Zone: there's no penalty on her, she just can't be Lead.
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Skating OOB (was: Jumping and cutting track)
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2009, 12:44:46 am »
yes of course --  no impact = no penalty

i dont think you got my point though
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2009, 01:54:11 pm »
Ok, so what would you penalize her with?

Stepping out of bounds in a situation which does not constitute the above (first page) Minor-Major clarifications, means that you are 'creating' a punishment.

If she steps out of bounds to avoid a block. Minor
If she steps out of bounds to maintain or increase speed. Minor

If she cuts across the in-field( thought I would like a better description than " substantially cuts short the lap"  Major.

There is nothing about "Skater steps out of bounds and right back in without maintaining/increasing speed'='s a Punishment.

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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 04:31:08 pm »
Ok, so what would you penalize her with?

Stepping out of bounds in a situation which does not constitute the above (first page) Minor-Major clarifications, means that you are 'creating' a punishment.

If she steps out of bounds to avoid a block. Minor
If she steps out of bounds to maintain or increase speed. Minor

If she cuts across the in-field( thought I would like a better description than " substantially cuts short the lap"  Major.

There is nothing about "Skater steps out of bounds and right back in without maintaining/increasing speed'='s a Punishment.
My understanding on this one is the same as Chug's. Those examples of minors and major impact are just that - examples. They are by no means an exhaustive list of every type of penalty in the rules.

If skater's were allowed to skate out of bounds of their own free will without missing or avoiding a block the wording of this section should probably be less definite:

"Skaters must remain in-bounds. No part of the skater's skate(s) may touch the ground outside the track boundary."

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Skating OOB (was: Jumping and cutting track)
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2009, 04:50:59 pm »
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Stepping out of bounds in a situation which does not constitute the above (first page) Minor-Major clarifications, means that you are 'creating' a punishment.

Am I creating a punishment if a skater skates OOB passing the penalty box where another player is standing and about to take off?
I would say that's major impact - major penalty... Or do I have to wait until there's an interference and then it's OOB blocking?
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Skating OOB (was: Jumping and cutting track)
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2009, 04:57:42 pm »
If I'm understanding your question properly, you would need to wait for an actual block. She would need to impede the skater coming out of the box. If she does, it is not necessarily a major. You have to judge impact based on the OOB impact guidelines.
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Skating OOB (was: Jumping and cutting track)
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2009, 05:10:21 pm »
given the skater did not attempt to avoid a block, she is not maintaining/increasing speed, she's not cutting through the infield...

my question is: when does the skating OOB start to have an impact?

it refers a little bit to this: http://zebrahuddle.com/index.php?topic=7.msg1128#msg1128

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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2009, 01:42:23 am »
Ok, so what would you penalize her with?

Stepping out of bounds in a situation which does not constitute the above (first page) Minor-Major clarifications, means that you are 'creating' a punishment.

If she steps out of bounds to avoid a block. Minor
If she steps out of bounds to maintain or increase speed. Minor

If she cuts across the in-field( thought I would like a better description than " substantially cuts short the lap"  Major.

There is nothing about "Skater steps out of bounds and right back in without maintaining/increasing speed'='s a Punishment.
My understanding on this one is the same as Chug's. Those examples of minors and major impact are just that - examples. They are by no means an exhaustive list of every type of penalty in the rules.

If skater's were allowed to skate out of bounds of their own free will without missing or avoiding a block the wording of this section should probably be less definite:

"Skaters must remain in-bounds. No part of the skater's skate(s) may touch the ground outside the track boundary."


Same question then ( not meant in a sarcastic tone just a general one)

What do you penalize her with?

There is nothing stating whether its considered no impact/minor impact/Major impact, such as the other penalty definitions.
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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2009, 08:04:40 am »
it should remind myself a little more of "no impact!"... for the sake of the game.. seems like after two days of intense rules study I have become a little "enforcement maniac"... thx!  ;)
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2009, 09:09:25 am »
Same question then ( not meant in a sarcastic tone just a general one)

What do you penalize her with?

There is nothing stating whether its considered no impact/minor impact/Major impact, such as the other penalty definitions.
How do you penalise someone who blocks without stepping or skating?

That illegality is listed under General Blocking, but not strictly covered under any Penalty Category.

And in answer to your question I'd issue her a Skating out of bounds minor penalty (as that's the section I'm drawing the rules from), with a potential upgrade to a major if she re-enters the track in such a manner that significantly cuts short the lap distance.

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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2009, 12:58:58 pm »
How do you penalise someone who blocks without stepping or skating?

That illegality is listed under General Blocking, but not strictly covered under any Penalty Category.

And in answer to your question I'd issue her a Skating out of bounds minor penalty (as that's the section I'm drawing the rules from), with a potential upgrade to a major if she re-enters the track in such a manner that significantly cuts short the lap distance.

It should be called consistent with the impact guidelines for most other penalties. Determine how much the blocked skater was affected.
Was she knocked to the ground? Major
Did she only stumble, but not lose her relative position? Minor
Was she not noticeably affected? No impact

As far as what she would be called for, that's a harder question. Best I can think of after being up for 5 minutes is gross misconduct, but that doesn't feel right.
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2009, 01:19:44 pm »

Actually, as far as I know, you can ONLY skate out of bounds to avoid a downed skater or get blocked out of bounds or go to the penalty box (hopefully didn't miss anything) so everything else is going to earn you a sob penalty.

As far as jumping from in bounds and landing oob goes...seems to me like it should be treated like sob and as long as you didn't do it to avoid a downed skater, get blocked out during, or do it to get a jump on your trip to the box you should get a penalty for it...but until just now I'd never really given it much thought so...? I'm interested to read more about this.
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