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Offline Noah Tall

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« on: December 24, 2009, 01:00:20 am »
How's this idea?  For communication between outside whiteboard and penalty wrangler, or scoreboard/scorekeepers, a simple text message will do.  OWB sends a text: W 15 BB, which the penalty wrangler then notes down as white, 15, back blocking.  The scorekeeper texts the scoreboard operator, Water City 115, and she updates the scoreboard.  This helps eliminate problems seeing the whiteboard, and, communication problems caused by noise in the venue.
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Re: texting
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2009, 03:27:23 am »
1)It requires the whiteboard op's to taker their eyes off the game & OPRs.
2)It could require the scorekeeper to take their eyes off the jam refs.
3)Requires both the sender & receiver to possibly incur texting fees.
4)Assumes all 4 parties involved (2 WB & 2 PW) have cell phones w/ text plans/capabilities.
5)Assumes everyone has fully charged devices and can maintain a reliable signal -think of the headache if suddenly someone gets 20 missed texts when they go outside that were penalties that never "made it in."
6)If multiple texts have to be processed, it could create an even longer lag time on both ends.

I could go on, but in short: Nope. I don't see it working. Others may be prolific texters, but I know I can write faster than text.


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Re: texting
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2009, 03:55:22 am »
1)It requires the whiteboard op's to taker their eyes off the game & OPRs.
2)It could require the scorekeeper to take their eyes off the jam refs.
3)Requires both the sender & receiver to possibly incur texting fees.
4)Assumes all 4 parties involved (2 WB & 2 PW) have cell phones w/ text plans/capabilities.
5)Assumes everyone has fully charged devices and can maintain a reliable signal -think of the headache if suddenly someone gets 20 missed texts when they go outside that were penalties that never "made it in."
6)If multiple texts have to be processed, it could create an even longer lag time on both ends.

I could go on, but in short: Nope. I don't see it working. Others may be prolific texters, but I know I can write faster than text.

+1 across the board.
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Re: texting
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2009, 02:41:40 am »
I wouldn't allow my phone anywhere near skaters. Did you know that they can run into you sometimes? Yeah.
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Re: texting
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2009, 06:27:20 pm »
But...

It is thinking outside the box.. 1+ for the thought Noah~!
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Re: texting
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2009, 08:49:27 pm »
Thanks for the suggestion, Noah.   :)

On the 2008 Referee Best Practices document, you'll note that for "Outside Referee Communication"  that some leagues were using microphones to communicate penalites in from the outside pack referees to the penalty trackers.  So, the use of technology is definitely something that is being examined in efforts to improve the game.  However, for the reasons that CG cited, I wouldn't try it.  That's not to say that it wouldn't work, but it does cause other issues.  If you did try it, you'd still want to have the whiteboard system "on the ready" as a backup.

From a bout production standpoint, all such ideas need to be encouraged and investigated.  IMHO, we all need to do whatever we can to make the game more accessible to the audience.  I say that b/c it's difficult to enjoy a sport when one doesn't understand what's going on.  Somehow or another, we need to do a better job of getting all the information we can out to our audience.  Of course, we also need to explain what that information means to our audience.  Anyway, one of the upsides with texting is that you could simultaneously communicate information to multiple parties.  So, perhaps it would allow annoucers to relay significant game information in near real time.

+1 for the suggestion.  Keep 'em coming! 
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Re: texting
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2009, 03:53:11 pm »
What a great board.  I can bring teh suck and still get some love :).
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Re: texting
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2009, 10:54:24 pm »
So to speak... ;)


Actually if it weren't for thinking outside of the box I'm sure many of the innovations we know and love wouldn't have happened.
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Re: texting
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2009, 03:23:46 pm »
I have to agree a bout is crazy enough as is. . . but here is food for thought. Our OPR use walkie talkies, we have used them for a while now and it seems to work well for us. Takes a little getting used to on a visiting refs end but it's a great way to keep the penalty tracker and OPR communicating. Plus the OPRs can talk to one another much like the IPRs do on the inside.

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Re: texting
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2009, 05:16:22 pm »
How well do the walkies work with loud venues?
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Re: texting
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2009, 05:19:47 pm »
I have to agree a bout is crazy enough as is. . . but here is food for thought. Our OPR use walkie talkies, we have used them for a while now and it seems to work well for us. Takes a little getting used to on a visiting refs end but it's a great way to keep the penalty tracker and OPR communicating. Plus the OPRs can talk to one another much like the IPRs do on the inside.

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Between the DJ and announcers, the crowd, and the acoustics, it is difficult enough to communicate without sound distortion and interference. There's also the whole "people crashing into us" thing as well, and anyone who's never been on the receiving end of at least one massive takedown as an OPR is probably woefully out of position. If sound quality and equipment breakage haven't proven to be an issue for you, great. Several leagues I've worked with gave that a go; none had any luck with it.
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Re: texting
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2009, 06:25:10 pm »
Not sure what the setup has been for others but we use headsets so I guess that helps with the noise.

I am a Jam ref so I have not personally used them but I have not heard any complaints from the OPRs as of yet.  We also have the luxury of a very tight group of refs so if there were a problem they could adjust quickly.

I am sure each venue has its own challenges. This seems to work for us but may not work for others.

If you have access to headsets try it out at practice first or go someplace REALLY noisy and see how it works.
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Re: texting
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2009, 04:19:10 pm »
We went through a period of trying them (with headsets) to communicate between scorekeeper and scoreboard operator. The results were horrible. Our venue gets pretty damn loud. Between that and the distortion of the radios themselves, they just didn't work well. We fairly quickly ditched that effort.

In doing research on this, it appears as though you would need to spend a lot of money on radios in order to have them work decently in loud venues. To the tune of several hundred dollars each. Also, whisper mics are probably most appropriate. They are the kind that you wear like a collar and it picks up vibrations directly from your throat.

As DayGlo said, equipment breakage is a serious issue (especially if you have thousands of dollars invested). So is injury, because these radios are pretty big. How many of you have fallen on your keys?
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Re: texting
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2009, 04:29:32 pm »
How many of you have fallen on your keys?

I don't like to talk about it...
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Re: texting
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2009, 05:26:02 pm »
hehe.. I don't skate with anything in my pockets other than a mini-rulebook for those reasons.

I've found I'm often heard loud enough ( I'm a VERY loud person when I want to be) that the Penalty and Scorekeepers ( who get hand signals AND verbal ) generally hear me when I'm announcing penalties/scores to the skaters before I even stop off to drop them by.

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