neck to neck

[All-Nate-Long]

I had a super close one the other night.......

Both jammers passed there foremost blockers at the same time...

They contd to the back of the pack for a scoring pass neck to neck....

I left it as no lead jammer since I wasnt sure who to give it to.......

Was I right? or is there another option

[Stegoscorus]

If they emerge at the exact same time, whichever Jammer Ref calls lead first has it.

[All-Nate-Long]

I swear i looked everywhere for that answer ......

[noidd]

I had a super close one the other night.......

Both jammers passed there foremost blockers at the same time...

They contd to the back of the pack for a scoring pass neck to neck....

I left it as no lead jammer since I wasnt sure who to give it to.......

Was I right? or is there another option

... and to be clear, they don't have to clear the opposing jammer to earn lead jammer.

(Apologies if that was obvious but saying "They contd to the back of the pack for a scoring pass neck to neck...." makes me feel like it needs to be stated).

[Cliquework]

I was curious about the "passed there (presuming you meant "their") foremost blockers", as if to say it was two different people. Should be the same person/blocker.

Unless you simply meant "the", in which case I retract the comment.

[Theshoveler]

If they emerge at the EXACT same time(something which in actuality is almost impossible, it is however possible that the actual amount of time diferentiating who emerged first is so minute as to be impossible to be determined by the refs), then there is no lead jammer as neither jammer has met the criteria for being lead as neither was first.

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3.4.1 Lead Jammer is a strategic position established on the Jammers? initial pass through the pack during each jam. The Lead Jammer is the first Jammer to pass the foremost in-play Blocker legally and in bounds, having already passed all other Blockers legally and in bounds.

The Shoveler

[mick hawkins]

If they emerge at the EXACT same time(something which in actuality is almost impossible, it is however possible that the actual amount of time diferentiating who emerged first is so minute as to be impossible to be determined by the refs), then there is no lead jammer as neither jammer has met the criteria for being lead as neither was first.

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3.4.1 Lead Jammer is a strategic position established on the Jammers? initial pass through the pack during each jam. The Lead Jammer is the first Jammer to pass the foremost in-play Blocker legally and in bounds, having already passed all other Blockers legally and in bounds.

The Shoveler

or... it could be said that they were both first, and so both get lead  
(it's possible to tie for first)

i'm not seriously suggesting that both be awarded lead, i agree with the shoveler on not awarding lead - merely pointing out that the rules as written leave this situation unclear

this discussion's been had before
http://www.zebrahuddle.com/index.php?topic=91.0

and in that discussion Ballistic Whistle made an awesome point that's with The Shoveler's view and convinced me then that, in the unlikely event that this would happen, this is the way to go...

If both refs are 100% sure that they're jammer broke through first you have two options - award lead to both, or award lead to neither. The latter seems like it would have the least impact on gameplay.

i also think this is consistent with

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9.3.2 If the referee is in doubt on a call.... she/he should not call a penalty.

that is, if the refs are in doubt over which jammer gets lead - dont award lead

so, while the rules dont specifically say so - it makes sense to not award lead to either jammer in this situation

[All-Nate-Long]

Thanks Mick