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« on: February 08, 2010, 07:27:22 PM »

In your opinion...........

What is the best and most efficient way to lay a track?

What is the fastest way to lay the track...........

What is the best materials to use in quality and price... and of high contrast?



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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 07:32:48 PM »

We use a rope and center point with separate measurements along the rope for track points.  It acts as a sort of compass for pretty perfect measurement outside of any taping errors which are easily corrected within the extra time we saved by using our rope compass.  I'll try and get more details to post here...
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 07:33:42 PM »

In your opinion...........

What is the best and most efficient way to lay a track?

What is the fastest way to lay the track...........
I think this really comes down to getting an experienced crew.  I think we've done it in 40 minutes?  It might've been less, I'll have to check on that.  One of the tools we use is a plastic chain with certain measurements marked with tape.  Other than that, I think we pretty much went by Appendix B.

What is the best materials to use in quality and price... and of high contrast?
see this thread: Track tape
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 08:13:19 PM »

we have the track painted on the rink floor.  It's just a matter of laying out the rope on top of the painted track, then taping it down with mat tape.  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 08:23:39 PM »

I was impressed with the Chicago Outfit's method. I didn't quite catch it all (visiting). I do believe it revolved around the "rope compass", but even more interesting was the way they had the rope (to be laid) fed through "D" rings on the end of the compass and pulled outward to keep it taught as it was taped around the circular portions. Pulled and taped as they went around, it kept a far more round and exact shape, as opposed to the "polygonal" result of making marks and taping between them. Nice smooth corners for a track re-laid every time.

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 08:40:23 PM »

As posted in that thread Bishop Linked to


RCRD uses
* 4-ish rolls of 3" Black & Yellow Striped Vinyl Hazard Tape from this page http://www.identi-tape.com/stripes&checks.htm for the track border
* 3-ish rolls of 1" Gaffers from the same site for 10' lines and misc lines
* Over Derby Rope (really) this is also called 5/8" braided polypropylene

All this fits in a single suitcase.

Setup varies by the number of people we have available.  We could do this with just two, but when we have more we can do large chunks of it in parallel.  If we had enough people we would do it like this:
* we have two people measure from center to one end
* mark the track inner border with sidewalk chalk
* from the same center measure over 1 ft and mark the outer border with sidewalk chalk
* from the same point roughly mark the safety zone border
* at this point we start a two person team on each rope.  They lay it down over the chalk lines and tack it down occasionally.  Get this as good as you can at this point.  In about 10 ft chunks you can spread the rope out and then slowly pull it into the line and it adopts the curve on it's own.
* at this point we start a single person laying out the safety zone which is caution tape tacked down every 10 ft or so. 
* chair setup starts outside the safety zone at this point. 
* the measurement team marks the other end as above.
* when the measurement team finishes that they move to laying out 10' lines.  They measure and tape each line as they go.
* When the rope is laid down we start up to 4 2 person tape teams (4 rolls of tape, 4 teams).  One person holds the tape, the other unrolls a bit and sticks it down over the rope.
* Whoever finishes first marks the safety zone by the benches and penalty box with tape instead of the caution tape.

We generally start with 2 or 3 as soon as we have access to the arena and are joined by others as they wander in.  It generally takes us about 60 minutes from opening the track bag to finished.
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 08:52:19 PM »

That. Is. Beautiful.
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 08:56:37 PM »

If you use rope as the gauge for marking or laying the turns, make sure to occasionally check the length of the rope. Most ropes can stretch a little bit, some stretch a lot. If you're not careful, you may end up with a track that is several feet longer than it should be.
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2010, 12:04:02 AM »

If you use rope as the gauge for marking or laying the turns, make sure to occasionally check the length of the rope. Most ropes can stretch a little bit, some stretch a lot. If you're not careful, you may end up with a track that is several feet longer than it should be.

Thanks for bringing up this very important point Major.  We actually have a simple jig made up that we tape to the center of the track and has 2 ropes at each end for laying out the inside and outside circles.  I always measure the ropes first while pulling on them to gauge how much tension is needed to get the right distances. 

We  lay out the inside track first and once the first corners are tacked down I have the outside team start working on their rope.  We then measure the distance from the inside rope to the outside rope at the "pivot line", halfway through the turn and then at turn exit.  The width are easy to remember- 13', 14' and 15' at those respective points and its a quick easy measurement to make sure things going right.

We also use teams of people- 2 or 3 persons for inside and outside rope.  A 3 person team that does the 10' ref safety lane and one person tapes out the penalty box.  As soon as the inside rope team finishes, they start on the 10' marks (usually myself and our head ref) and the pivot/ jammer lines.

If we are just putting down a track, it takes around 35 minutes.

For materials, alot depends on the base color of the floor.  We have a skatecourt (Naptown is using it for their bouts right now and they made a setup video posted on DNN) that is blue/ gray/ multicolor mix.  Fluorescent gaffer tape looks awesome but is very expensive.  We found plain black tape that isn't nearly as pretty but is alot cheaper works well for the outlines.  We use orange or some other bright color for the jammer start and pivot lines and black electrical tape for the 10' markers.

Hope that helps out Nate, those are some things that have rubbed off on me having set track for 3 years now.  I'll see where we got the tape from and try to remember to get you that info.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2010, 07:44:29 AM »

Yep, I discovered that vinyl clad cable grows several inches when left in the Reno sun.  I think we laid the track three times that day...
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2010, 02:37:53 PM »

I've seen someone using a small 'chain' with the chalk idea to make the arches (curves). The chain doesn't stretch overtime like rope, and then when you get to the end of the curve you stop. Once all curves are marked, the rope is held taught from the end points and taping startings there taping all the way down the straight aways, THEN laying the rope down along the chalk curves and taping there.

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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2010, 11:31:29 PM »

Our track is painted on the floor so we don't have to do any fancy measuring but I saw one really cool thing at a HARD bout recently. Instead of tape over rope, they used tape over 3/8" flexible plastic tubing. The tubing has more give so it's easier to skate over but it's still substantial enough to provide tactile feedback to the skaters. Very cool.
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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2010, 05:32:23 AM »

Our track is painted on the floor so we don't have to do any fancy measuring but I saw one really cool thing at a HARD bout recently. Instead of tape over rope, they used tape over 3/8" flexible plastic tubing. The tubing has more give so it's easier to skate over but it's still substantial enough to provide tactile feedback to the skaters. Very cool.

Charm City used to use that, too. I'm not 100 percent sure why we switched to rope. What I do know is that tubing tends to split when rolled over repeatedly, and that after a couple bouts, the tape residue makes it really sticky. If you've ever changed the syrup or CO2 on a soda* machine, you get the idea. No fun.

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