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What NSO positions can receive evaluations toward certification?

Is there a list of the WFTDA site that I am over looking?
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Re: What NSO positions can recieve evalulations toward certification?
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Re: What NSO positions can recieve evalulations toward certification?
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2010, 02:32:28 am »
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What about head of stats?  How would we classify him for our cert process?
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Re: What NSO positions can recieve evalulations toward certification?
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2010, 02:37:28 am »
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What about head of stats?  How would we classify him for our cert process?

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Re: What NSO positions can recieve evalulations toward certification?
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2010, 05:58:03 am »
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What about head of stats?  How would we classify him for our cert process?

That's stats.  Not eligible.  Anyone not listed (other than referees) is not eligible.
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Re: What NSO positions can recieve evalulations toward certification?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2010, 11:11:23 pm »
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What about head of stats?  How would we classify him for our cert process?

That's stats.  Not eligible.  Anyone not listed (other than referees) is not eligible.

So even though he's in charge of all of the NSOs for the bout and making sure they are well trained in how to do their jobs, he is not eligible for certification?  How do you get people to run your NSO crew then?
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Re: What NSO positions can recieve evalulations toward certification?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2010, 11:54:50 pm »
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He is eligible for certification if he works positions in a bout that are eligible for evaluations.

You're talking about an administrative position that has nothing to do with the actual game. If you have a head ref who doesn't actually work a bout, but arranges for all the refs who will, that head ref isn't in a position to get any evals. Same thing with a head NSO or head statistician.
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Re: What NSO positions can recieve evalulations toward certification?
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2010, 01:18:24 am »
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What about head of stats?  How would we classify him for our cert process?

That's stats.  Not eligible.  Anyone not listed (other than referees) is not eligible.

So even though he's in charge of all of the NSOs for the bout and making sure they are well trained in how to do their jobs, he is not eligible for certification?  How do you get people to run your NSO crew then?

AFAIK, in many leagues that's the HR responsibility.

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Re: What NSO positions can recieve evalulations toward certification?
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2010, 01:59:47 pm »
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What about head of stats?  How would we classify him for our cert process?

That's stats.  Not eligible.  Anyone not listed (other than referees) is not eligible.

So even though he's in charge of all of the NSOs for the bout and making sure they are well trained in how to do their jobs, he is not eligible for certification?  How do you get people to run your NSO crew then?

AFAIK, in many leagues that's the HR responsibility.

I'd go so far as to say "all but a small handful of leagues." Only a few leagues have a large and stable enough roster of NSOs to justify having a separate leader. In those that don't, the responsibility falls to the head ref, not the head statistician. This is because NSOs work directly with refs, supporting and complementing them. Statisticians rarely interact with refs at all, and when they do, it's usually only because an NSO dropped the ball in record-keeping.
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Re: What NSO positions can recieve evalulations toward certification?
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2010, 02:04:14 am »
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Ok, so what is the difference between stats and NSO?  In my mind they are the same thing.  Our head of stats compiles the data at the end of the bout, and fills out the stuff for the IBRF.  He also trains the NSOs, helps wrangle penalties, consults with the scorekeepers, scoreboard operator and penalty box to make sure things are running smoothly.  He's also the main point of contact between the NSOs and refs.
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Re: What NSO positions can recieve evalulations toward certification?
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2010, 02:43:15 am »
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Ok, so what is the difference between stats and NSO?  In my mind they are the same thing.  Our head of stats compiles the data at the end of the bout, and fills out the stuff for the IBRF.  He also trains the NSOs, helps wrangle penalties, consults with the scorekeepers, scoreboard operator and penalty box to make sure things are running smoothly.  He's also the main point of contact between the NSOs and refs.

He is kind of like what we had last season in Master Bates. I referred to him as our head NSO , though. But he would actually perform NSO roles during bouts.
This season, we have a separate head NSO and head statistician.

The big difference between NSOs and stats... Stats people perform roles that don't provide necessary information to referees or other NSOs during the bout. Sometimes I confer with stats people to check records, but that is a rare instance. Stats people track information that is nice information to have, but not necessary (except for sanctioned bouts). This includes lineups, actions and errors, etc.
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Re: What NSO positions can recieve evalulations toward certification?
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2010, 02:08:06 pm »
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Interesting.

While perhaps not "vital" info, tracking the lineups actually makes the Stats Workbook calculate correctly on the game summary (at least what I remember in the previous version, haven't completed the new one until this weekend). I thought Lineups were "necessary" to track anymore. The Action, Error, and Jam tracking being the "Extra Credit".
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Re: What NSO positions can recieve evalulations toward certification?
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2010, 04:49:07 pm »
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Line-ups are required for sanctioned bouts, you're correct.

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Re: What NSO positions can recieve evalulations toward certification?
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2010, 04:57:06 pm »
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"Stats" positions don't affect the bout (incredibly rare conferrals notwithstanding) and even if they are required by the IBRF for sanctioning, they could in essence be done afterwards by watching sufficiently good video footage.

NSO positions are actively involved in the bout, even if they are just relaying information from point A to point B.

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Re: What NSO positions can recieve evalulations toward certification?
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2010, 07:04:21 pm »
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Definitely. Stats are the summary of what the NSOs record, and therefore the people who compile them do not actively participate in bouts as an evaluatable position.

A lot of leagues do not have head NSOs (although it helps a great deal if you can get a really good one IMHO). It is not a required position for a sanctioned bout (like all of the certifiable positions are), so there is no need for certification. That's the way I see it.

We have A head NSO (Stat Brat) who actively participates in every bout as the penalty tracker. She makes the NSO roster for the bouts as well, but she does not calculate stats. We have other league members who do that.
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